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Ron Paul: Secession is right, Civil War maybe not

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Outgoing Republican U.S. representative Ron Paul has waded into the secession debate, saying that states have the right to leave the Union, and that the Civil War may not have been “right.”

 

The libertarian politician made the comments on his official House website.

The latest secession controversy was started by a series of petitions on a White House website called We the People. They asked the Obama administration to comment on the possible secession of Texas, Louisiana, and other states after the president defeated Mitt Romney earlier this month.

The Texas petition received about 115,000 online signatures as of Tuesday morning, with a number of people not living in Texas signing up.

Paul’s comments were picked up on political websites on Monday night.

“While I wouldn’t hold my breath on Texas actually seceding, I believe these petitions raise a lot of worthwhile questions about the nature of our union,” Paul said.

“Many think the question of secession was settled by our Civil War. On the contrary; the principles of self-governance and voluntary association are at the core of our founding.  Clearly Thomas Jefferson believed secession was proper, albeit as a last resort,” he added.

“Keep in mind that the first and third paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence expressly contemplate the dissolution of a political union when the underlying government becomes tyrannical.Do we have a ‘government without limitation of powers’ yet? The Federal government kept the Union together through violence and force in the Civil War, but did might really make right?” Paul added.

Legally, there is little evidence that any secessionist movement would have a chance of winning a legal challenge.

Constitution Daily contributor Lyle Denniston outlined the issue last week for us.

“No state, however frustrated some of its citizens may be with the present state of government in America, is going to be able to leave the Union and go its own way. That is one of the most firmly settled issues on the meaning of the Constitution,” Denniston said.

The issue was settled by the Supreme Court in the case of Texas v. White in 1869, and the only theoretical path to secession would be the passage of a constitutional amendment.

Associate Justice Antonin Scalia confirmed that opinion in 2006, when he responded to a letter from a screenwriter, who was writing a fictional story about Maine dumping the U.S. to join Canada.

“To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede.(Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, “one Nation, indivisible.”) Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit,” Scalia said.

Paul didn’t bring up the issue of slavery in the Civil War on his official House website, but he has discussed it in the past.

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In 2007, Paul told “Meet The Press” said that the North should have bought the slaves living in the South and freed them, rather than pursue a war.

“Every other country in the world got rid of slavery without a Civil War,” Paul told Tim Russert.

In another undated video on YouTube, Paul told an audience that slavery was an important factor in the Civil War, but not the biggest reason the conflict was fought.

“It really wasn’t the issue of why the war was fought in my estimation,” he said.

Paul said that Abraham Lincoln, like Alexander Hamilton, believed that central government should benefit the industrial base in the North, along with a central banking system.

“When they saw this opportunity, they used the issue of slavery to precipitate the war and literally cancel out the whole concept of individual choice,” he said.

Alabama Creates Petition For Secession from the Union

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By, AL HENDERSHOT | The Obama Hustle

“People of the State of Alabama who wish to create an independent and self-governing state separate from the Federal Gov.

English: Great Seal of The State of Alabama

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/people-state-alabama-who-wish-create-independent-and-self-governing-state-separate-federal-gov/Mm3l3Jtl

A petition has been created for the acceptance of secession from the union for the great state of Alabama.

“Whereas, the subsequent re-election of Barack Hussein Obama and Joseph Robinette “Joe” Biden, Jr. to the offices of president and vice-president of the United States of America, by a sectional party, avowedly hostile to the domestic institutions and to the peace and security of the citizens of The United States of America and to the citizens of the great  state of Alabama.

Do hereby desire secession from the union and the formation of an independent separate state.

The citizens of the great state of Alabama have the right to stand for their principles. That man is granted unalienable rights, which are not the dispensations of the government, but find their beginnings in God and come from God alone. These are the principles that our forefathers stood for, and so do the people of Alabama.”

Created: Nov 14, 2012

Secession petitions filed in 20 states After 2012 Election

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By Mike Krumboltz, Yahoo! News

 

In the wake of last week’s presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.

The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: “Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.” Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.

Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.

An article from WKRC quotes a University of Louisville political science professor who explained that these petitions aren’t uncommon. Similar petitions were filed following the 2004 and 2008 elections. Still, should the petitions garner 25,000 signatures in a month, they will require an official response from the Obama administration.

From the We the People site:

The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it’s sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

Not everybody who wants to secede is polite enough to write a petition. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.

“We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity… Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years.”

Texas INMATE gets 40 per cent of votes against President Obama in West Virginia primary

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How unpopular can Obama get? Texas INMATE gets 40 per cent of votes against President in West Virginia primary

  • Prisoner Keith Judd got 40% of vote in West Virginia to Obama’s 60%
  • Inmate 11593-051 got on ballot by paying $2,500 fee and filing forms
  • Attracting 15% of vote normally qualifies candidate for a delegate to the Democratic National Convention

By Louise Boyle

PUBLISHED: 00:57 EST, 9 May 2012 | UPDATED: 12:35 EST, 9 May 2012

Just how unpopular is President Obama in some parts of the country? Enough that a man in a Texas prison received four out of 10 votes in West Virginia’s Democratic presidential primary.

Inmate Keith Judd, 53, is serving 17 years for extortion at the Beaumont Federal Correctional Institution. He was sentenced in 1999 for making threats against the University of New Mexico and is due to be released on June 24 next year.

With 93 per cent of precincts reporting, Obama was receiving just under 60 per cent of the vote to Judd’s 40 per cent.

Popular prisoner: Inmate Keith Judd (pictured left) who is serving time at the Beaumont Federal Correctional Institution in Texas, received around 40% of votes in West Virginia's primary, coming a close second to President Obama
President Obama pictured giving the keynote address at the 18th Annual Asian Pacific American Institute last night in Washington

Popular prisoner: Inmate Keith Judd ( left) who is serving time at the Beaumont Federal Correctional Institution in Texas, received around 40% of votes in West Virginia’s primary, coming a close second to President Obama – pictured giving the keynote address at the 18th Annual Asian Pacific American Institute last night

For some West Virginia Democrats, simply running against Obama is enough to get Judd – or Inmate Number 11593-051 – votes.

‘I voted against Obama,’ said Ronnie Brown, a 43-year-old electrician from Cross Lanes who called himself a conservative Democrat.

‘I don’t like him. He didn’t carry the state before and I’m not going to let him carry it again.’

When asked which presidential candidate he voted for, Brown said: ‘That guy out of Texas.’

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Judd was able to get on the state ballot by paying a $2,500 fee and filing a form known as a notarized certification of announcement, said Jake Glance, a spokesman for the Secretary of State’s office.

According to the Charleston Gazette, Judd circulated his political standpoints to local media. These include opposing national health care reform on the grounds that it violates the 10th Amendment.

He also cites the U.S. Constitution, saying that incarcerated felons should not be disqualified from voting.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

Name: Barack Hussein Obama

Age: 50

Address: White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington D.C.

Known as: POTUS; Commander-in-Chief

Education: Columbia University 1981-83; Harvard Law School 1988 – 91

Barack Obama

Achievements: Editor of Harvard Law Review; University of Chicago law professor; Illinois State Senator; first African-American President; Nobel Peace Prize 2009; death of Osama bin Laden

Term in office: Four years; due for renewal November 2012

Religion: Christian

Favorite president: Abraham Lincoln

Favorite sport: Basketball

Favorite actor: Jimmy Stewart

Favorite food: Italian fiesta pizza

Favorite musician: Bach; Al Green

 

KEITH JUDD

Name: Keith Judd

Age: 53

Address: Beaumont Federal Correctional Institution, Texarkana, Texas

Known as: Inmate Number 11593-051

Education: Member of the Federation of Super Heroes, 1976-1982

Popular prisoner: Inmate Keith Judd (pictured left) who is serving time at the Beaumont Federal Correctional Institution in Texas, received around 40% of votes in West Virginia's primary, coming a close second to President Obama

Achievements: Recording Musician/Writer/Producer, Nadine’s Music, Hollywood, California, 1968-1998; Agent/Individual Contractor, New York Society of Reproductive Medicine

Term in prison: 17 years; due for release June 2013

Religion: Rastafarian-Christian

Favorite president: Richard Nixon

Favorite sport: Ten-pin bowling

Favorite actor: Gene Hackman

Favorite food: Judd answered ‘I forgot’

Favorite musician: Mozart

Judd is housed at the Federal Correctional Institution (FCI) in Texarkana, a low-security facility for male prisoners. It is located in northeast Texas near the Arkansas border, 175 miles east of Dallas.

Attracting at least 15 per cent of the vote would normally qualify a candidate for a delegate to the Democratic National Convention.

But state Democratic Party Executive Director Derek Scarbro said no one has filed to be a delegate for Judd.

The state party also believes that Judd has failed to file paperwork required of presidential candidates, but officials continued to research the matter, Mr Scarbro said. There may also be issues because the man is an inmate in federal prison.

Voters in other conservative states showed their displeasure with Obama in Democratic primaries last March.

In Oklahoma, anti-abortion protestor Randall Terry got 18 per cent of the primary vote. A lawyer from Tennessee, John Wolfe, pulled nearly 18,000 votes in the Louisiana primary.

Winning: Presumed Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney won West Virginia's GOP primary Tuesday with more than 69 per cent of the voteWinning: Presumed Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney won West Virginia’s GOP primary Tuesday with more than 69 per cent of the vote

In Alabama, 18 per cent of Democratic voters chose ‘uncommitted’ in the primary rather than vote for Obama.

Obama’s energy policies and the Environmental Protection Agency’s handling of mining-related permits have incurred the wrath of West Virginia’s coal industry.

With the state the nation’s second-biggest producer of this fossil fuel, Governor Earl Ray Tomblin and Senator Joe Manchin – both Democrats have championed the industry – have declined to say whether they will support Obama in November.

Hillary Rodham Clinton beat Obama in the state’s 2008 primary, and he lost the state to Republican John McCain in the general election.

The latest state-by-state Gallup poll, released in January, found Obama with a 32.7 per cent approval rating in West Virginia.

The president had a lower approval rating only in Utah, Idaho, Oklahoma and Wyoming.

‘Keith Judd’s performance is embarrassing for Obama and our great state,’ outgoing West Virginia GOP Chairman Mike Stuart said.

Presumed Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney won West Virginia’s GOP primary on Tuesday with more than 69 per cent of the vote, with 93 per cent of precincts reporting. Rick Santorum followed with 12 per cent, while Ron Paul had 11 per cent.

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